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(deep breath)
Looking at the camera footage, there's a disturbance, separation of a large chunk, followed by turbulence and then everything coming apart. The breakup appears to follow a loss of flight controls, presumably due to the initial event. Lots of possibilities for that event. My leading guesses are the failure of a wing or vertical stabilizer due to fatigue (it is 20+ years old, after all... few cycles, but high-stress ones) or overheating (burn-through of the thermal protection tiles or blankets). Another guess would be that residuals in the one of the maneuvering fuel tanks went off and took out part of the skin and the hydraulics. Or, since this was Columbia's second flight since a major overhaul (I saw its 1st flight afterwards, last March) there could have been something unexpected that was related to the upgrades. Probably not software, this time.

I'd shaken hands once with McCool (recalled in part because I thought of "Peanuts" after I saw his name plate), and remember seeing the Indian lady in the halls of Bldg. 4S. Despite the Israeli presence, I *really* doubt terrorism... there were special security and screening measures for this flight, because of that. Timing devices would have been hard to pinpoint, and pressure-triggered devices wouldn't work reliably, either.

It's a terrible tragedy... as [personal profile] wcg said in a comment, a bad day for the good guys. But I would go in a heartbeat, nonetheless, and will resubmit my application at the next call.

My advice to stressed-out folks... turn off the TV. Keep things in perspective... they were volunteers and loved what they were doing. It was a known set of risks. And, as bad at it is... seven lives, compared to hundreds in a commercial airline crash -- which is worse? Really? Shuttles are expensive at $2B/copy, but roughly the same as a B-2 bomber. If a military flight had gone down with its crew, it would be just as tragic for them and their families.

Internal to NASA, there has been a debate over the past several years over the operational lifespan of the current shuttle. They were built in the late 1970s, except for Endeavor. Airliners of the same vintage are being retired now. Over the past two years, I've seen plans calling for shuttle replacement as early as 2007 and as long as 2025. And for the past two or three years, there's been a sense that the law of averages was overdue... over drinks after hours, we'd wonder how much longer we'd go without another major accident. Unofficially, of course... public estimates are of an accident every 80 flights or so. Some argue 1 in 50. In either case, we were over 100 missions with one accident, coming into this one. And operations budgets have been squeezed...

Personally, I've been in favor of proceeding with a next-generation shuttle replacement... but it costs $10B to design a new airliner, double that for a launch vehicle. Space has not been a budget priority, and what there is has gone towards finishing the station. Hence the talk of trying to fly elderly shuttles until 2020. But I think this disaster may force some degree of realism on the folks in DC... the next few months should tell. Sigh.

Date: 2003-02-01 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mactavish.livejournal.com
Your input on this is enormously helpful to me. I needed to hear what I already knew: "Keep things in perspective... they were volunteers and loved what they were doing. It was a known set of risks. . . . If a military flight had gone down with its crew, it would be just as tragic for them and their families."

One of my earlier thoughts, when thinking of the families, was that every time there's an accident when someone's on their way back to a loved one -- the train in Sydney, the shuttle today, any of the crashes on 9/11 -- people are in grief, and those can't be qualified or quantified in relation to one another. If [livejournal.com profile] deyo were to be killed in a car accident on his way home from a weekend away, my grief would be right up there with the others.

Mind if I link your post?

Date: 2003-02-01 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
< hugs >. It's really a sad day. We're all in mourning over here.

Date: 2003-02-01 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anisoptera.livejournal.com
Thanks for the background information.

Date: 2003-02-01 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zebraartist.livejournal.com
thank you for the perspective....sigh.............*firm embrace*

Date: 2003-02-01 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quasigeostrophy.livejournal.com
Thank you for a more educated confirming of a lot of what I had been thinking, in the perspective and attitude toward this, the possible causes, and the potential NASA fallout. "Law of averages" was very much on my mind when I first saw what had happened. Yes, it was/is a horrible thing for those crewmembers, families, and colleagues - I won't diminish that, but you said things very well.

Date: 2003-02-01 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeforyou.livejournal.com
Over the past two years, I've seen plans calling for shuttle replacement as early as 2007 and as long as 2025. And for the past two or three years, there's been a sense that the law of averages was overdue... over drinks after hours, we'd wonder how much longer we'd go without another major accident. Unofficially, of course... public estimates are of an accident every 80 flights or so. Some argue 1 in 50. In either case, we were over 100 missions with one accident, coming into this one. And operations budgets have been squeezed...

Personally, I've been in favor of proceeding with a next-generation shuttle replacement... but it costs $10B to design a new airliner, double that for a launch vehicle. Space has not been a budget priority, and what there is has gone towards finishing the station. Hence the talk of trying to fly elderly shuttles until 2020. But I think this disaster may force some degree of realism on the folks in DC... the next few months should tell. Sigh.


And this is *exactly* what is PISSING ME OFF right now. I accept the rest of it; I know space flight is high risk and dangerous. It's that people knew things were going to be a problem, more money was needed, and nothing was done. Or not nothing -- just not enough.

My emotions are on an uneven keel between sadness and anger. The hope I cling to is the unfortunate thought that our case may be made to have more support for the future.

Date: 2003-02-01 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inquisitor.livejournal.com
Thanks for the informative viewpoint!

I want to ask a few stupid questions...

I watched the NASA briefing on the accident and the strangest point made was that there is no way to assess damage to the bottom of the shuttle post-launch. What is up with that? I literally have an image of the Vancomme lady in my head going la-la-la-la-la when asked such a question.

Don't we have a $100 Billion International Motel 6 flying up there somewhere? Couldn't the shuttle be evacuated to said rest stop in the event it would likely not survive re-entry?

Beyond that, yeah, they knew the risks, and if anything, I think this points out the need to replace the shuttle as soon as possible.

Thanks again!

Date: 2003-02-01 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ag-unicorn.livejournal.com
Thanks, [livejournal.com profile] brian1789, for an intelligent and rational view of what has happened from someone that certainly has a lot more knowledge than I do.

And, like you, I'm hoping that this forces a bit more realism on the folks in D.C. to really look at the Shuttle program and cut loose a good deal more money towards research, development and building of the next-gen Shuttle orbiters.

And I devoutly hope that this doesn't cause our Elected Officials to tuck tails between legs and stop space exploration entirely.

A sad day, indeed.

Requiescat im pace, STS-107 crew...and congratulations on a job well-done.

Date: 2003-02-01 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterfish125.livejournal.com
Brian: Thanks for the info. I've been thinking about you all day, wondering how you were doing.

How many shuttles are currently in our fleet? I know they were mentioning 4 on the ticker at one point today, but one of the listed ones was Challenger, and I wouldn't think that a newer shuttle would be named that.
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