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Feb. 27th, 2004 05:13 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
According to one mailing list I'm on...
Effective today, the Social Security Administration has sent
orders to their regional offices not to honor any marriage license
issued by the City and County of San Francisco after February 12,
continuing indefinitely. *Not* any /same-sex/ license, but rather
ANY license.
Unfortunately, I'm not surprised... this is probably un-Constitutional, but it could likewise drag out for awhile in court. And it gives Bush a way to economically damage SF by squelching all marriage licenses, while undoubtedly blaming the mayor.
Effective today, the Social Security Administration has sent
orders to their regional offices not to honor any marriage license
issued by the City and County of San Francisco after February 12,
continuing indefinitely. *Not* any /same-sex/ license, but rather
ANY license.
Unfortunately, I'm not surprised... this is probably un-Constitutional, but it could likewise drag out for awhile in court. And it gives Bush a way to economically damage SF by squelching all marriage licenses, while undoubtedly blaming the mayor.
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Date: 2004-02-28 09:57 am (UTC)Of course, this might provide an interesting way to get married to two people (one in San francisco and one outside) for the polys among us.
Meanwhile, a question occurs to me... What is the sexual status of transgendered people in the US? Are they deemed to remain their pre-op sex, which is the case in the UK >spit< or to be their new sex? How does this affect marriage post-op?
More and more this whole thing indicates that governments have no place in defining who is whose partner.
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Date: 2004-02-28 10:26 am (UTC)They were looking like the original test-case for same-sex marriage stuffs for a while.
Certainly some transfolk got married in SF.
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Date: 2004-02-28 06:44 pm (UTC)I would disagree. I think it indicates that governments have no place in restricting/defining who can be whose partner, but I think that they do have a fairly notable place in recognizing such partnerships when they are established -- just as they do in recognizing any sort of contract between people, when the contract affects something that is within the government's purview.
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Date: 2004-02-29 10:27 am (UTC)IAMAL, but my understanding is that, given certain broad constraints, generic contracts between companies, people, etc. can include whatever terms the people concerned agree on, and that these contracts then stand fixed. They can only be modified by mutual agreement between the original partners, and the drawing up of some kind of modified contract.
A marriage contract, in contrast, is a fixed set of terms, with no negotiating allowed. Moreover, the government can, and does, mess with the terms of this contract whenever they feel like it, with implications far beyond the terms of the agreement into taxation, inheritance etc..
Why should a government have such unique intrusive powers over the most intimate arrangement two people can make? I'll agree that there is some value in the government recognising relationship contracts between people, but why should that be different from them recognizing business partnerships etc.?
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Date: 2004-02-28 08:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-29 10:18 am (UTC)OK - I don't actually believe in state-lisenced relationships, as is probably becoming clear, so I may be completely misunderstanding this whole thing.
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Date: 2004-02-29 06:56 pm (UTC)