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jay ([personal profile] jay) wrote2004-10-18 08:35 am

Is jealousy rational?

[personal profile] dawnd and [personal profile] akienm are holding a local workshop on jealousy issues, tonight, so I thought I'd toss out a few contemplations...

Jealousy, particularly in polyamorous settings and groups, seems to me to be an attribute that no one wants to admit... the closest thing to labelling a "bad" emotion. But it is commonplace, IMO... and possibly rational.



Suppose A has an existing long-term relationship with B, and then B begins developing a new interest in C. Assume that A,B, and C are all reasonably busy people with other career and relationship commitments filling out their respective schedules, so there isn't lots of slack available. Love may be infinite, but time and energy are finite resources. Reasonably, A can expect that B's new energy and time going into developing a relationship (or friendship) with C will come from somewhere -- probably drawn from several places, including the relationship between A--B. Unless A is secretly looking to withdraw from or dump B, A will see this reduced time and energy from B as a loss, with a concomitant gain for C.

At the same time, A loses in other ways. Any emotional instability or drama or other fallout between B and C will ripple outward, and some of it find its way from B--A, increasing A's emotional support burden to B. And if there is sexual contact involved between B and C, then there's additional overheads -- tracking C's sexual history, current test results, risks posed by other partners. And A's net STD risk goes up overall, without A having any additional benefit or fun themselves.

And if A and B are together in a household with merged finances, B's pursuit of C may actually cost A something... plus there are second-order effects like B's vacation time being used with C and then not available for the annual holiday with A, etc.

So, in a new relationship of friendship between B and C... they each gain a new experience with each other, a new connection, shared likes and activities, NRE, perhaps ongoing love and support from each other.

But, rationally, what's in it for A? A would seem to be a identifiable loser from the new connection between B--C, therefore jealousy would be a rational response on A's part. And A would be justified in not supporting the B--C connection.

A's network would see one of its linkages (between A--B) reduced in energy and strength, especially for the first year or so during NRE, if that happens. The only gains that I can see are if C brings something positive to A's network... making B happier or relieving A of the burden of going clothes-shopping with B, say. Or if adding C adds resources (season tickets? social connections? different viewpoints?) to the local area network. Or perhaps, given a poly network, if C develops some connection to A as well.

So... I'm open to being convinced otherwise, but I could see jealousy as a frequent-but-rational response. For poly people, I view it as a kind of dues-paying... gritting one's teeth and letting one's partners go, in exchange for the right to do likewise if one so chose. A given net loss, balanced by one's own possible future net gains in new relationships and friendships.

Someone's willingness to try poly might then balance on the magnitude of the loss(es) vs. that person's probability of finding other connections themselves. Not that there isn't lots of cause for jealousy in the mainstream -- looks at daytime TV -- but with more-frequent, ongoing connections, I think that poly is particularly jealousy-provoking, potentially. Hence the socialized "jealousy is bad" response in poly circles...

[identity profile] tenacious-snail.livejournal.com 2004-10-24 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, but I *like* C. and N., and I know that you love them and that they bringyou joy. Why shouldn't I be happy when you get to see your LDR sweeties? (and I would prefer it if you didn't try to get me to change my position on this)

[identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com 2004-10-24 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll take that as a "please don't respond" request.

[identity profile] tenacious-snail.livejournal.com 2004-10-24 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I don' t understand. I'm not trying to dictate *your* response, I'm tell you that I enjoy and appreciate the happiness that you find in your other relationships, and that why I could possibly develop resentments, envy, jealousy, or other things along that line, I don't think it would be *better* if I did.

[identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I won't argue that you need to develop resentment or envy of my other beloveds ;). Your emotions are yours, I'm just a lucky beneficiary in this case. If the situation were the other way around, I doubt I'd feel similarly, but (shrug).

[identity profile] tenacious-snail.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
Interestingly enough, while you don't necessarily get happy when I've had pleasant dates with OSOs, you *have* gotten indignant on my behalf if you think I'm not getting enough time or attention from them.

[identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Completely different motivations... one protective and a bit caretaking, perhaps. Besides, if some OSO of yours is going to cost me time and affection that I would have otherwise had, the least they can do is value the gift you've given them...

[identity profile] tenacious-snail.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
That is a very sweet and thoughtful way of expressing that. Thank you. (snuggle). *this* is one of the things I like about you.

[identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com 2004-10-25 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
You do bring me joy, she's correct in that :).