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No, I wasn't asserting any moral superiority... nor do I particularly have a side in the breastfeeding debate, we supplemented our three. And yes, given that I have a permanent account, Six Apart stood to lose nothing by my departure.

IMO, it was about them pre-censoring content on behalf of external conservative social or religious pressures... and greater participation equalled more counter-pressure, and it didn't cost me much, so why not... Anyway, I don't care what people use as their default icons, it should be their choice (not mine, Jerry Falwell's or their blog service's).

Date: 2006-06-08 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weirdodragoncat.livejournal.com
Businesses do have that right....within the law. They dropped the ball here. In CA, where they are based, breastfeeding and related imagery is protected by law.
and btw....the TOS did not (I'm assuming here) reflect this discriminatory new policy when his account was created.

you might want to tone the critical tone to your comment down a bit (just a suggestion).

Date: 2006-06-08 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] datagoddess.livejournal.com
The TOS hasn't changed through all of this, just the FAQ was changed to clarify. And when the TOS is changed, users are given the choice of agreeing to it or removing their account.

And I think if Jay has an issue with my tone he can take it up with me himself, neh?

Date: 2006-06-08 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Given the ambiguities in the TOS, and the previous non-enforcement, IMO the FAQ changes were actually a retroactive contract-change-by-stealth on SA's part in order to cover/avert responsibility for their own screwups in how they reacted.

And yes, there are times when you tone and language sounds to me like "I hate you!" when all you actually meant was "I want to discuss this", but I've long since shrugged it off as mostly due to cultural and language differences. I believe that you're mostly friendly, even if you come off as IMO combative at times.

Date: 2006-06-08 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] datagoddess.livejournal.com
They've always enforced it. The caveat is that the icon in question has to be brought to LJ Abuse's attention before they do anything about it, because they don't randomly troll through journals looking for TOS violations.

This started because someone got nailed for a topless icon and decided to go over to [livejournal.com profile] boob_nazis and start turning in people there. Now that's one hell of a troll.

And you know I don't hate you. I sometimes get exasperated with things you say, or don't realize how I sound when replying, but if I hated you, or was really angry, I either wouldn't post it in LJ and take it to email or just not say anything.

Date: 2006-06-08 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Yeah, if there were a "troll hall of fame" this episode might qualify that guy...

Sorry, but I don't buy selective, random past enforcement of (old FAQ) sexually-explicit default icons as "always enforced it" regarding all forms of nudity, including photos of Roman statues and Renaissance paintings. SA/LJ are way out on a limb, unreasonably far past cultural or community standards, and are IMO just digging themselves deeper.

Date: 2006-06-08 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgreene.livejournal.com
Wrong. Breastfeeding in public has to be accomodated under California state law. Breastfeeding imagery does not have to be, as far as I can tell, and I have been all over the Cal Codes on this.

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