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Working on my taxes, taking the morning off of work. I should get small refunds on both federal and state returns. Meanwhile, [profile] patgreene has taken the kids to the beach so I can have peace to get the taxes done.

Periodically, I've been trading posts yesterday and today with a few folks on a local mailing list known for its combativeness (sfbay-poly). Accused of whining, of talking too much, of being manipulative... if folks there are really that incensed by my communication style, I wish they'd just killfile me and go on.

When commenting in public posts on topics that are emotionally or ethically sensitive, I prefer to be oblique or indirect, even unclear. I've learned that if I speak openly and clearly on some issue on a mailing list or newsgroup, I lose control of my words -- they may be used by others against third parties, or even brought up against myself at some future date. If I instead use metaphor, obscure anecdotes or indirect counter-examples, I may be misunderstood... but at least I still have a line of defense, in that I can later dispute whatever interpretation someone else tries to apply to my ramblings.

And there's a certain puzzle-solving fun, too... watching to see who, if anyone, on a given group, will actually figure out what I'm trying to say (instead of rushing to knee-jerk reactions or simple interpretations). I suppose that's a bit arrogant, but otherwise I'm easily bored...

Date: 2003-04-20 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
"Granted, that's manipulative..."

Well, yeah, that's manipulative, and most people don't enjoy being nonconsensually manipulated.

Date: 2003-04-20 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Actually, on further, non-browbeaten thought, I'm not sure I'd grant anymore that those are manipulative behaviors -- or at least no more than other forms or rhetoric or debate.

Date: 2003-04-20 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
As I've said in other venues re: Devil's Advocacy, the position was originally one where all involved knew that the priest in question was acting as Devil's Advocate.

It is considered polite in most venues I frequent to announce the rhetorical style one is employing, to distinguish it from "conversation as oneself".

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