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The difference between Father's Day and Mother's Day... on Mother's Day, I slept late after a party the night before, skipped church and then took [profile] patgreene out with the kids. On Father's Day, I'm up early getting the kids breakfast and dressed and cleaning the kitchen while Pat sleeps in... the kids don't even know what today is. Still, I need to be balanced, not seeking appreciation or external validation. I don't need anyone. Time to reload the dishwasher... I can't get in the shower because James came home from his sleepover and grabbed it first.

Date: 2004-06-20 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faeryguinevere.livejournal.com
Well, happy father's day to you, regardless of what's going on in the house :)

Date: 2004-06-20 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hobbitbabe.livejournal.com
How can you tell the difference between balanced and martyred? If it matters to you (which it must or you wouldn't mention it here), why on earth don't you announce what you want?

Date: 2004-06-20 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Problem is IMO that the day here is all about external validation of a given role, at a time when I'm trying to wean myself from needing it... and my family does a mediocre-at-best job of it, anyway. As far as personal celebrations go, in 40 years I've never had a birthday party, either, for instance. I'm lucky to get a cake and a gift certificate.
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Date: 2004-06-21 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Power tools... yep. For home improvement projects. Although at least those give me something constructive to do around here...

Date: 2004-06-21 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgreene.livejournal.com
They were what you asked for. I can't know what you want if you don't ask for it -- I have to go on what you *say* you want.

Date: 2004-06-20 04:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] geekchick
Happy Father's Day to you, anyway. *hug*

I need to be balanced, not seeking appreciation or external validation.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be appreciated once in a while.

Date: 2004-06-20 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starsail.livejournal.com
Well I wish you a Happy Fathers Day. I don't know how you do it sometimes. **Hug**.

Date: 2004-06-20 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griffen.livejournal.com
Happy Father's Day, Brian. :)

It could be worse. You could be pulling down a twenty-year-old wall in your house, the way my mom did on her birthday once. *g*

Na nee?

Date: 2004-06-20 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeforyou.livejournal.com
ou could be pulling down a twenty-year-old wall in your house, the way my mom did on her birthday once.

Okay. I give. I've got to know.

What happened there???

Re: Na nee?

Date: 2004-06-21 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griffen.livejournal.com
They were in the middle of remodeling. My mom had to tear out a kitchen wall that day.

Date: 2004-06-20 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jemstone.livejournal.com
Happy Fathers Day, regardless of what ever else comes your way. If the kids don't know... I say, clue them in.

-JEM

Date: 2004-06-20 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com
Happy Father's Day.

Date: 2004-06-20 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frankenboob.livejournal.com
Why not just wait until the day is over BEFORE announcing it's a big disappointment? How do you know that they don't have something planned for the afternoon or evening? 8:18 a.m. seems a bit early to declare the day a wash.

Date: 2004-06-20 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Because Pat had repeatedly told me that they had nothing planned, and in fact yesterday was pressing *me* to make the plans? If I don't make it happen, nothing will...

Date: 2004-06-20 08:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] geekchick
Try letting Pat and the kids know in a somewhat more direct way than this post that it would mean a lot to you and would make you feel appreciated if they would make plans to do something? It's not too late in the day for something to happen, I'm sure.

Date: 2004-06-21 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
They had gone swimming by the time I got home. Tonight... I'll probably take Pat out for dinner somewhere.

Date: 2004-06-21 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] geekchick
If you're not home all day, it would make it hard for them to do anything for you, no?

Date: 2004-06-21 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
I was asking you what you *wanted*, not for you to plan things. As for Mother's Day, I planned out activities for that day, too -- half of which did not happen because you slept late, leaving me to deal with the kids all morning. At least I made it to deal with the kids at church.

And no one asked you to clean the kitchen, either.


OK, fine... consider it even, then.

Date: 2004-06-20 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p3aches.livejournal.com
Happy fathers day Brian. Im around if you want to talk later tonight. Hugs T

Date: 2004-06-20 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com
Think of it as traveling to a different culture while staying at home. We never did Fathers' Day (or Mothers' Day for that matter).

And isn't it just an invention of the card companies anyway? Mothering Sunday had a real meaning, in the days of service when it was the only day when the servants were allowed home to visit their families (though US Mothers' day is the wrong date), but I don't think Father's day had any previous existence before it became a marketing excuse.

Date: 2004-06-20 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
(nods) the day is about cards and marketing over here, true...

It becomes a reminder of my relative place in the household, I think... on the former, the kids made pancakes (using too many strawberries) and brought their mother breakfast in bed with hand-made cards. On the latter, I'm up trying to get them fed and dressed and they're having tantrums and throwing toys... I suppose it is natural for them to be closer to their mother, but this dynamic only reinforces the feeling of being there to support them.

Date: 2004-06-20 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancing-star.livejournal.com
Happy Fathers Day...

You should let your children know what today is if you haven't, and make it known what you would like.

Date: 2004-06-21 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
I suppose that's better than just leaving... but it still feels wrong.

Date: 2004-06-21 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancing-star.livejournal.com
Children don't learn about special days unless we teach them that they are special. *hugs*

Date: 2004-06-20 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopeforyou.livejournal.com
Happy Father's Day, Brian.

*hugs*

Date: 2004-06-20 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] treacle-well.livejournal.com
You know, one possible reason for Pat and the kids not knowing what day it is or not caring about doing something special may be because they don't know that you do care. Maybe they figure there's not much sense in making the effort if say, they think, you'd rather be at work or something. If it's tough for you to let the kids know directly that you would like Father's Day to be a special day, then maybe you could let Pat know and ask her to take on the responsibility of making sure the kids know, and giving them reminders about it when it comes up, and that sort of thing.

Date: 2004-06-21 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
One difference between the two days is that Mother's Day comes during the school year... teachers, most of them themselves mothers, make sure that the kids in their classes know about the date and typically pursue hands-on art projects during the previous week. Father's Day in June is after school is out, hence no focus.

Really, things were already stressed before today... this was just one more thing.
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