Jekyll/Hyde
Aug. 18th, 2003 12:25 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
jayA few realizations, today, largely unrelated.
For some combination of reasons, I've been depressed, almost despondent at times, since we got back Friday evening. And this has spun off my usual depression-parasitic reactions... increased insecurity, defiance, self-putdowns, clingyness. Strangely, my spirits were hugely lifted in a Krispy Kreme shop tonight when the counter guy handed me a warm doughnut... "you look like you could use this." Not on my waistline, perhaps, but that little act of kindness brought me out of a funk. Thankfully, my down periods rarely persist for more than a few days, and soon I'll be back at work (which tends to drag me out of a hole).
At work I feel in charge of myself, competent, capable and I have a track record of accomplishments. Self-confidence. I know my value, and can measure my past impact in a couple of fields. And I enjoy it -- I feel passionately about what I do, and learn. All of those things collude to bring me up and make me fully-functional again.
Personally or socially... I feel adrift, incompetent, and fairly unattractive. Like I have no accomplishments, and nothing much to offer personally. Left idle at home, or without positive external social reinforcement, I'll tend to damp down and gnaw on myself. And I'm not fishing for compliments here... I'm stating my mindset, whether or not it matches reality. One reason that I avoid planning a social calendar during the workweek is that subconsciously I associate it with this mindset. Brian-the-scientist doesn't want to think about turning back into Brian-the-geek, come Friday evening, or the possibilities for failure and rejection therein. Kind of a Jekyll/Hyde flip... and at the same time, I feel internally compelled to go out and find friends and be social. I can't just hide away until Monday morning.
Another realization, coming out of a 2-hour-long chat with my dear friend EA, is that my courting behaviors, manners, and attitudes are much closer to what girls are apparently taught than boys. I wait for the other person to make the first move. I dislike pursuing... I worry about harrassing or annoying women if I show much interest. I'd much rather wait until someone shows some signs of interest, then reciprocate. All of my five past-and-present sweeties kissed me first, probably after running out of patience (wry smile).patgreene claims that I moved first, but she's wrong ;-).
The same thing is true of casual touching... even with partners or close friends. I don't want to seem forward, or make the other person uncomfortable. I almost never reach for anyone. If someone takes my hand, fine, then I can safely assume that that level of touch is welcomed from then onward. But if I touch a woman who doesn't want my touch, I'm a bad person, a boor.
Even in the bedroom... I'm reluctant to be demanding or to impose anything on my partners... so I don't approach my partners unless they first seem interested themselves. Even if I'm really frustrated, myself. Unless I'm running out of time on an LDR visit... (reminisce).
Inculcated belief structure: approaching is aggressive. Aggression is bad...
EA's response was that she was confused, that these are things that women are often taught in this culture... and teasingly asked me what gender I was born ;-).
For some combination of reasons, I've been depressed, almost despondent at times, since we got back Friday evening. And this has spun off my usual depression-parasitic reactions... increased insecurity, defiance, self-putdowns, clingyness. Strangely, my spirits were hugely lifted in a Krispy Kreme shop tonight when the counter guy handed me a warm doughnut... "you look like you could use this." Not on my waistline, perhaps, but that little act of kindness brought me out of a funk. Thankfully, my down periods rarely persist for more than a few days, and soon I'll be back at work (which tends to drag me out of a hole).
At work I feel in charge of myself, competent, capable and I have a track record of accomplishments. Self-confidence. I know my value, and can measure my past impact in a couple of fields. And I enjoy it -- I feel passionately about what I do, and learn. All of those things collude to bring me up and make me fully-functional again.
Personally or socially... I feel adrift, incompetent, and fairly unattractive. Like I have no accomplishments, and nothing much to offer personally. Left idle at home, or without positive external social reinforcement, I'll tend to damp down and gnaw on myself. And I'm not fishing for compliments here... I'm stating my mindset, whether or not it matches reality. One reason that I avoid planning a social calendar during the workweek is that subconsciously I associate it with this mindset. Brian-the-scientist doesn't want to think about turning back into Brian-the-geek, come Friday evening, or the possibilities for failure and rejection therein. Kind of a Jekyll/Hyde flip... and at the same time, I feel internally compelled to go out and find friends and be social. I can't just hide away until Monday morning.
Another realization, coming out of a 2-hour-long chat with my dear friend EA, is that my courting behaviors, manners, and attitudes are much closer to what girls are apparently taught than boys. I wait for the other person to make the first move. I dislike pursuing... I worry about harrassing or annoying women if I show much interest. I'd much rather wait until someone shows some signs of interest, then reciprocate. All of my five past-and-present sweeties kissed me first, probably after running out of patience (wry smile).
patgreene claims that I moved first, but she's wrong ;-). The same thing is true of casual touching... even with partners or close friends. I don't want to seem forward, or make the other person uncomfortable. I almost never reach for anyone. If someone takes my hand, fine, then I can safely assume that that level of touch is welcomed from then onward. But if I touch a woman who doesn't want my touch, I'm a bad person, a boor.
Even in the bedroom... I'm reluctant to be demanding or to impose anything on my partners... so I don't approach my partners unless they first seem interested themselves. Even if I'm really frustrated, myself. Unless I'm running out of time on an LDR visit... (reminisce).
Inculcated belief structure: approaching is aggressive. Aggression is bad...
EA's response was that she was confused, that these are things that women are often taught in this culture... and teasingly asked me what gender I was born ;-).
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Date: 2003-08-23 01:38 pm (UTC)If I received ship-building instructions from Mars... I'd have to decode them, probably talk through them with others to make sure that I really understood the construction and testing process. And those plans would refer to alien, Martian materials and tools -- I'd need to figure out if there were existing terrestrial equivalents, or if there were some parts or materials that would have to be created fresh. And which were which.
I might still be dubious about the wisdom of using, say, rubber instead of titanium in some critical Martian component, and might then need to be convinced, even given the instructions. And Martian dimensions might be in a scale unfamilar to me. Once those things were worked out, though, and given detailed, cheap plans, and enough outside backing, then I'd start building a ship.
In the meantime, I'd probably try to build subassemblies of the overall mechanism to see if I could manage the smaller pieces.
why aren't you taking their word as what is so?
I accept their word, as to what is so for them. But there are multiple reasons for asking/discussing rather than just accepting guidance... for some obvious instructions, I feel like I have to explain why I haven't adopted those in the past. Explaining the reasons for my past aversion to some approaches isn't quite the same as rejecting those approaches -- I'm not saying that I'm not going to try these new things in the future. And for other instructions, I just don't understand the underlying reasons and am trying to figure them out. Or how to apply them. In others, I'm not sure of their generality beyond the specific individuals...
I'm grateful for all of the feedback (yours included) and am trying to digest and integrate it. But there are some core attitudes of mine that may keep popping up until I can definitively wrestle and pin them down.
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Date: 2003-08-25 09:28 am (UTC)Justifications accomplish nothing.
This is our frightened inner self trying to "look good" so those around us will accept us.
Explanations always mean we need acknoledgement about something. If I were writing the above paragraph, I'd want acknoledgement that my past actions were sensable in the context of the data I had.
You might ask yourself what you want achnoledged.
Oh, and I didn't say the instructions were in martian, or that they specified martian building materials. For the analogy to have any validity, the instructions would have to be plain engligh, indicating enough understanding on their part to communicate with you in a way you'd understand straight away. (I'm explaining because it looked like you'd taken the example in a way other than I had meant. I am seeking acknoledgement that my point was understood clearly)
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Date: 2003-08-26 12:01 am (UTC)That's it... if no one understands that, they'll think I'm even denser in certain ways than in reality. Whether or not I'm accepted...
I understand your metaphor more clearly now. Although I find it a bit less applicable, since the language and concepts in this thread have been such that I haven't understood what was being communicated straight away.
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Date: 2003-08-26 12:04 am (UTC)So what do you want acknoledged? "I would like to be acknoledged for..."
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Date: 2003-08-26 12:15 am (UTC)my past actions were sensible in the context of the data I had."
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Date: 2003-08-26 12:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-06 07:18 pm (UTC)Is it getting clearer? I'm seriously interested:
have your discussions with me made what I was saying any clearer..
or does my continuing to type just muddy it up more?
The feeling I get from you is that in some ways you are like me:
s-l-o-w. You take your time deciding what your position is on things,
you don't act frivolously, you digest a great deal before your shift in any obvious way. THis may look to others like you aren't doing anything.. when in fact INTERNALLY you are doing alot.
is this true?
it's my sense,.....which is often pretty accurate.
;)