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Apr. 16th, 2004 10:44 am
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[personal profile] jay
What's wrong with "self-denial while helping others-in-need" as an ethic? For me it feels like almost a matter of honor...

Date: 2004-04-24 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
When I ask directly, it is usually out of desperation, and therefore I'm often asking for something large or difficult. Like asking my parents for an unofficial loan to help me make a down payment on this house, when the initial financing fell through. They had the resources... but didn't want to tap their retirement savings, even temporarily. I eventually found another way to finance it, at a one percent higher interest rate. Likewise, in smaller things... like rides to/from auto repair shops, say, unless it is directly on the other person's travel route. Or someone with lots of bike-repair experience being always too busy to help me repair mine.

My experience has been that I'd better never get seriously sick, need a short-term loan or ask for anything more personally demanding than picking up my laundry from the dry-cleaners...

Date: 2004-04-24 11:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
How old is that experience? Is it from the people you currently associate with?

Date: 2004-04-25 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Cumulative over 20 years with family, friends and colleagues. But very little from current associates, granted. The bike example was from someone on my LJ list... a couple of people have not been able to give rides. That's the extent of it with this group, other than asking for more social inclusion at times.

Date: 2004-04-27 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangerpudding.livejournal.com
I'm reading this as "when I ask, if I get a negative response, I assume I should never ask again."

For me, asking is just that- a request. Not a requirement. Sometimes, the answer is no. Sometimes, when I'm asked, the answer is no. I expect that- I expect my friends to take care of themselves first, or honor other commitments. Them saying no, especially on things like needing a ride, or fixing a bike, is ok.

I can see situations where an unsupported no, from certain people, to specifically critical requests could be a problem. But thise are going to be far, few between, and generally involve pre-negotiated relationships.

Date: 2004-05-01 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
That makes sense. And most of my requests come about with either designated-role strangers (airline agents, say) or in relationships, and are as few as I can manage, historically. I have a problem adjusting to asking friends... no is always acceptable. Even expected, actually ;-).

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