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Monday morning started off as usual, helping [profile] patgreene get the kids away to school. But since our car had to go in the shop, I borrowed [personal profile] tenacious_snail's... she came by along with [personal profile] cyan_blue (who had stayed over after the previous night's party ;). So I got early hugs from everyone, a lovely start to the day. Then off to work.

Lunchtime I met [personal profile] dawnd in San Mateo, after she and [personal profile] akienm had dropped off [profile] grynz at SFO airport. I had sushi with both of them, and enjoyed their narratives. Afterwards, I spent some one-on-one time with Dawn before heading back to work. And then picking up the car from the shop, finishing work, and listening to Pat shout after she poured boiling water over her left hand (she was trying to use a grease screen as a pasta strainer).

Afterward, things began to spiral, a bit... I was stressed from home, and late, and picked up Les to go to a HAI monthly support group. It was not a supportive experience... I didn't know many people there. There were 34 people, nearly record attendance but for the initial exercise I was the last one left standing, unable to find a partner. I was rescued by [personal profile] p3aches, who opened up her dyad. And I was happy to be invited in, if sheepish. Then later I was embarrassed to discover that my buddy from L4 was there, and I hadn't recognized her (she'd bleached and cut her hair, granted). And finally on the last exercise -- ironically, on gratitude -- my exercise partner R literally bolted and left the premises in mid-exercise. That felt... pretty rejecting, even if logically he had his own issues in play. So by the end of the evening, what had been a pretty uplifting day had crashed. HAI workshops take me a couple of hours to open up, and last for two days... in these brief meetings, I'm only just dropping my defenses by the time the event ends.

Date: 2006-10-24 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyan-blue.livejournal.com
*hugs* Many sympathies on the HAI stuff being difficult. I know it takes a lot of courage to open up and be vulnerable there, and even when these kinds of mishaps occur by sheer coincidence, it can still be really hard nonetheless.

Hope Pat's hand is feeling better, too.

And the early morning hugs were indeed a lovely start to the day :-)

Date: 2006-10-24 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Pat's hand seems better today, and the "Jay sandwich" was cute. :)

Date: 2006-10-24 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spicy-turkey.livejournal.com
Sorry to hear your support group experience was sub-optimal. :-(
We couldn't make it this month - of course with 34 people there, the last thing that was needed was 2 more! But sorry we missed you - would have been very nice to see you there.

Date: 2006-10-24 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Thanks, sorry I missed seeing you guys. There were few familiar faces despite the crowding.

I've not had much luck with non-workshop events... 3 support group meetings and one community night. They've ranged from flat to awful for me.

Date: 2006-10-24 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenacious-snail.livejournal.com
That was the third time I'd been to the Peninsula Support Group, and I have found it a challenge to deal with the very crowded space and so many people who seem to know each other. I didn't recognize your L4 buddy, either-- and wouldn't have recognized another participant but for recognizing her boyfriend.

*hugs*

I think you did a really good job speaking up about your challenges, and maybe in a future support group, you could ask if anyone has ideas of how to get into "HAI space" quickly, rather than the usual "drive up to Harbin, unpack, and relax for several hours first". I am guessing that someone has a suggestion that will help you.

Date: 2006-10-24 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Maybe if I took Chip up on his offer of some coaching... thanks for the positive feedback, dear.

Date: 2006-10-24 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dawnd.livejournal.com
sorry to hear it was a challenging day after you left our place. Thanks for both lunch, and spending time with me after. I enjoyed our conversation.

BTW: There were a couple of times over the weekend where I was the last one left standing. And I'm still looking for partner/s to do coaching sessions with me before I leave the area. Fortunately, I'm not really seeing this as a comment on my self-worth, but I can see how easy it would be to have that happen. Try to just see this as the luck of the draw, or use it as an incentive to be more pro-active in finding a partner in the future. YOU can always choose THEM, you know. :^)

Best wishes to Pat on the rapid healing of her hand.

(hug) to you both.

Date: 2006-10-24 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
Pat's hand seems to be better. :)

And it is almost always a pleasure to spend time with you. :) I'm glad to have had a chance to see Akien too, it had been awhile.

Choosing-wise... I'm cautious about boundaries. In a workshop, I would have the benefit of chill space beforehand as well as an opening puja-like exercise that is good as a way to assess who is, and isn't, open to me... given eye contact and body language. Within those with whom I feel open and comfortable, at the last couple of workshops I've started proactively choosing and asking. Hearing "no" has happened more often than not, but that's OK.

But at these short events, I have no chance to "read" the group and figure out likely candidates to approach later to suggest doing an exercise. Long-time participants all know each other and tend to glom together rather than picking/being picked by newcomers... unlike, say, contra dancing I've attended, where veterans often make a point of asking newcomers for a dance.

And while rationally (and today) I know that it isn't about my self-worth, *in that moment* it feels like I'm worthless and unwanted, even though some other part of my brain is telling me that that's silly. One difference from a few years ago. :)

Date: 2006-10-26 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyan-blue.livejournal.com
And while rationally (and today) I know that it isn't about my self-worth, *in that moment* it feels like I'm worthless and unwanted, even though some other part of my brain is telling me that that's silly. One difference from a few years ago. :)

Go you, for being able to realize that it isn't truly about your self worth. Even if that knowledge isn't accessible right in the difficult moments yet, it seems like you're on the path to that.

*hugs*

Date: 2006-10-24 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klrmn.livejournal.com
i've given up on the support groups. granted, the penensula one is the only one i've tried. i'm unable to sheild well enough from the folks who are reeling from their first L1 experience to be able to get anything at all out of them.

Date: 2006-10-24 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brian1789.livejournal.com
With such a mix, and with it being rushed... I can imagine that that would be hard. Even at workshops, I can't really calibrate until after the HOH.

Date: 2006-10-24 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenacious-snail.livejournal.com
*nod*

I know that some of the folks we know regularly do dinner after the support group. I wonder if it might work better to create a group of folks to meet *before* the group to settle in to that space, and to deal with discharging with the day's frustrations first. I also *think* that Santa Cruz has a support group that meets on Saturday. Maybe that might present better options for arriving more connected?

There is indeed a sat support group

Date: 2006-10-25 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p3aches.livejournal.com
There is indeed a sat support group and that one is 4 hours long. It meets the last sat of the month.Hugs T

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